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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Jan 25, 2011 10:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: sound quality of new 72' box set

I was wondering what some of the more tech savvy forumites think about the sound quality possibilities of the new set.It seems to be a general consensus that what we have already is mostly high quality,Cliff wisely pointed out 6 shows which could use an upgrade,but for the most part we have some fine listening.It is my hope that top notch professionals working with the original reels and 2011 technology will be able to produce some outstanding transfers of this material.No disrespect to the folks who have done such a wonderful job transferring the music that exists here already.I think it goes without saying that as a community we greatly appreciate the time ,effort and money you have all put into your craft that allows us to enjoy such fine representations of the music we all take very seriously.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Jan 25, 2011 5:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: sound quality of new 72' box set

I only have a couple of E-72 shows, so I'm rethinking, and now it's time to grab a few more. Keith is up nicely in the mix on some of these. I don't recall him being up that much in the sound mix in the '73 shows I witnessed.

I'm listening to the matrix mix on Dark Star, April 29, in Hamburg. Keith and Jer. I'm used to Phil and Jer. Outstanding! They jam into a "I Know You Rider" in the middle of Dark Star (6:15).

The 16-track tapes will bring endless mix possibilities to the table.

This post was modified by dead-head_Monte on 2011-01-26 01:53:13

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 25, 2011 6:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: sound quality of new 72' box set

That's a "Feelin' Groovy Jam" Monte. It grooves briefly around the 7 minute mark on Matt Vernon's AUD...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-04-29.aud.vernon.5250.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Jan 27, 2011 7:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: sound quality of new 72' box set

I am not a Good Lovin' fan (though, I am a fan of lovin' done good), but this one really smokes. It is one of the fastest versions I have heard---and you know how I like my MethDead.

TOOTMO

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jan 25, 2011 11:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: sound quality of new 72' box set

No question it'll sound great, in some cases perhaps even startling. Really looking forward to 4/29/72, which will be the gem of this set. I'm not sure I trust Jeffrey Norman as a mixer, though. There have been times I preferred the circulating mix to his work... For instance on the Ladies & Gentlemen '71 set, many folks thought Phil didn't sound right; and I liked the sound of my 4/8/72 tape more than the mix on Steppin' Out, even though that may have been technically 'superior'. Many times, newer digital mixes sound flatter somehow...

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Poster: Jim F Date: Jan 25, 2011 11:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: sound quality of new 72' box set

Wouldn't that be fantastic if in the future we had the technology where we could download raw transfers of all 16 tracks individually and mix them ourselves? I bet Bob Menke would just love that.

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Jan 25, 2011 7:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: sound quality of new 72' box set

Hey, LiA! I was just thinking that listening to Steppin' Out over the weekend. Phil's buried and rather thin, IMO. His sound has a little more bottom in Rockin' the Rhein. But listening to both I found myself yearning for a Phil-heavy 2-track mix from 70 or 73.

I'm looking forward to comparing new mixes of those same shows to see whether he came up in the mix at all. I'm guessing there would be some influence of the equipment they used in Europe (same at all shows, or different in UK vs. the continent?), but you'd think with 16-track tapes they could feature Phil as much or as little as they like.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jan 26, 2011 12:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: sound quality of new 72' box set

I don't think I had any issues with the way Steppin' Out sounded, really... Sometimes you just get used to, say, a radio mix of a show, so any 'official' mix you hear afterward sounds a little off. 60 CDs of the Steppin' Out sound would be OK with me.

Yeah, with 16-track, they could produce any mix variation they wanted to; but they're pretty conventional with their mixing, so I expect instrument levels & placement to be about the same as what we're used to; maybe some things will be a bit louder...

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 25, 2011 11:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: sound quality of new 72' box set

I've been giving this subject this some thought. Obviously the sound quality of several performances will be upgraded significantly. As LIA has pointed out, I think 4/29 will be blowing some minds when this official release hits mailboxes! I'm also looking forward to hearing the the end of the second set from 5/25 for the first time.

I am really wondering what the vault remaster of the 5/16 Radio Luxembourg show is going to sound like. This show was broadcast over Radio Free Europe through an incredibly high wattage tranmitter, creating a sound signature of extremely high intensity unique to this performance. I wouldn't be surprised if sbd.unknown.10353.sbeok.shnf remaster of this show sounds better than the vault release.


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Poster: snori Date: Jan 25, 2011 2:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: sound quality of new 72' box set

Initially I only had a CD of the first set and a poor quality tape of the second. There was a story going round at the time that one of the band heard a copy of this first set and said something along the lines of 'this is better quality than some of our releases'. Either they only broadcast the first set to the UK, or I crashed out in the interval but I could claim this as my first show.

Just for information the DJ introducing the band is Kid Jensen, and he it was (now grown up and known as David Jensen) whose Planet Rock show was offering an E72 box set as a prize yesterday.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 25, 2011 4:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: sound quality of new 72' box set

Bootleg CD's of the first set from the Radio Luxembourg show, some titled "Dead De Luxe" circulated widely during the 1990's.

It's one of my very favorite performances of the tour, largely due to the "electrifying" sound quality that I attribute to the extremely high power of the radio transmission.

But the musicianship is laser tight and focused as well. The intro to The Other One just might be the greatest of all-time...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-05-16.sbd.unknown.10353.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Jan 25, 2011 9:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: sound quality of new 72' box set

I'm listening to this now, it's just what Cliff says it is... this is about as tight as it gets, even by '72 standards. Even Pig is sharp as a tack, which by rights he shouldn't be. 'It Hurts Me Too' is excellent, for example... what a unique and great show.

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Poster: Jim F Date: Jan 25, 2011 11:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: sound quality of new 72' box set

I have a copy of that. That was back when tapes were really hard for me to find, one source was I would check the local used record store every week or so and buy all those "imports." I probably paid like 40 bucks for 5/16's first set. "Black and White Ball" was another one, from 3/15/69. Also have one called "Bear Trap," which was part of 5/23/69 along with the Other One>Spanish Jam segment from 2/14/68.

Anyway, I too recall hearing the Hurts Me Too from 5/16 and it instantly becoming my favorite version. Was also the first time I heard Chinatown Shuffle.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Jan 26, 2011 10:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: sound quality of new 72' box set

I have long held this as my favorite Europe '72 show both in terms of sound quality and tightness of performance. It's one of the few I can truly go from start to finish with without getting bored, ever.

And I agree, the Other One intro is the more chilling than any other performance I know of.